How you and your firm deliver great value to your clients is a common theme in the HumaniseTheNumbers podcast series.

In this discussion with Phil Hobden, now of Wolters Kluwer, I was able to unpack Phil's experiences as a business owner, as well as an employee and leader of education at Capitalise and, previously, at Futrli.

He shares some amazing insights. The discussion twisted and turned from value for clients and value for team members and how much they're part of a virtual circle. When we, as leaders of our respective businesses, get that value equation right – make it clear, demonstrate it well – we put our firms on that positive path towards reaching our business goals.

I hope you'll join me and Phil on a fast-moving, action-packed and, I think, content- and value-packed podcast at

The show notes for this episode are available here...

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